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Aircraft by type |
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Northrop T-38 Losses and Ejections |
| Date | Air Force | A'cft | Unit / Serial | based | crashed | crew | photo | seat |
| 31st October 1964 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | Ellington AFB | Bird Strike (snowgoose) while landing at Ellington Air Force Base. Canopy shattered | Theodore C. Freeman ejected at very low level, chute not enough time to deploy and was killed |
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| 28th February 1966 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | N901NA |
NASA Johnson Lambert Field, St. Louis, Missouri. McDonnell Aircraft Corporation's plant, St. Louis, Missouri |
Aircraft approached too low and crashed into a roof of a building at McDonnell Aircraft Corporation's plant, St. Louis, Missouri |
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no ejections |
| Elliot McKay See Jr. killed | Charles Bassett II killed | |||||||
| 18th April 1967 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 61-0928 | Williams Air Force Base, Arizona | Devils Canyon, AZ | Northrop | ||
| Front: instructor pilot Harry J. Peterson ejected | Rear: Pilot Major Norman D. Peters ejected | Northrop | ||||||
| 1st August 1967 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
solo flight crashed 31 miles south of Sheppard. | One killed | ||||
| 5th October 1967 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | Mechanical failure. Crashed near Tallahassee, Florida | Clifton Williams Jr. killed |
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no ejection | ||
| 11th September 1968 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
solo flight crashed near Nocona, Tex | pilot suffered minor injuries | ||||
| 30th September 1968 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
solo flight crashed in Archer City, Tex. | pilot suffered minor injuries | ||||
| 4th September 1970 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | DETAILS ??? | Captain James M. Taylor | ||||
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20th January 1972 15:23 |
NASA |
T-38 | NASA | Test flight of an inertial landing system for the evolving Space Shuttle Program. Crashed on Matagorda Island, Texas when flew through fog bank moving in from Gulf of Mexico |
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Stuart M. Present killed |
Mark Conover Heath Jr. killed |
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| NASA pilots were both civilians assigned to the Aircraft Operations Division of the Manned Spacecraft Center. | ||||||||
| Lunar Lander Training Vehicle Lost January 29, 1971 when Stuart M. Present ejected safely | ||||||||
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10th May 1972 20:45 |
USN / NASA ??? |
T-38 Talon | FURTHER DETAILS APPRECIATED |
NASA ??? Confirm Ellington Air Force Base |
Lost over an Bergstrom AFB just SE of Austin, TX |
Capt.
Charles Conrad Jr (astronaut) bailed out ejection presumed |
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| FEEDBACK |
Capt. Charles Conrad ejection on 10 May
1972. in email 29th March 2008 |
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| 9th September 1972 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 70-1956 | Randolph Air Force Base, San Antonio, Texas | Crashed just after take off at. Rolled over and caught fire |
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Lt. Gen. George B. Simler killed |
Capt. Gil. L. Gillespie killed |
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| FEEDBACK |
I'm compiling a "Data Base" of T-38 pictures and Tail Numbers plus information on all T-38s ever built. So far, I have over 3,000 T-38 photos of about 900 specific, different T-38s. (Northrop built 1,189 of them, counting 2 prototypes, & NOT counting the 3rd prototype, that they purposely destroyed as a static test article). Your web-sight includes a T-38 crash on 9 Sep 1972. I have more information on that crash. I was a T-38 instructor pilot at Williams AFB, Arizona at the time of the 9 Sep 1972, T-38 crash of General George Simler & instructor pilot Gil Gillespie. The information on your web-sight is correct, but I have more to add. The tail number of that T-38 was 70-1956. That is very significant in the production run of Northrop T-38s. T-38 70-1956 was delivered, brand new, from Palmdale, California earlier that year (1972). (It was only about 8 months old). The significance is that, T-38 70-1956 was the last T-38 ever built.
You can also cross-check this info by looking up USAF 70-1956, at the Scramble web site. Generals do not fly very much. They're busy doing other things. But being the commander of ALL Air Training Command ("ATC", as it was called in 1972), General Simler, chose that T-38 (70-1956) as the one he would fly, when he did fly. The flight was to be from Randolph AFB to Scott AFB in Illinois. Scott AFB was the Headquarters of the USAF Military Airlift Command. General Simler had recently been chosen to be the commander of the "Military Airlift Command" ("MAC"). Anyway, the main reason for this email is to confirm the significance of the actual T-38 that crashed. It was the last T-38 ever built, and only about 8 months old. Northrop Corporation used to publish a news magazine (Talon News), and earlier in 1972, they ran a big article, complete with photos, about the "Delivery Ceremony" of this very last T-38 built. I have a copy of that specific "Talon News" edition. I hope this helps your web sight.
Roger
DuClos in email13th May 2008 |
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| 5th January 1973 |
US Navy/NASA |
T-38A Talon | N907NA/907 | damaged | ||||
| 1st October 1973 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
solo flight crashed one nautical mile north of Sheppard | Pilot ejected | Northrop | |||
| 2nd May 1974 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A | crashed about two miles north of Tinker Air Force Base, Okla | One killed | ||||
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14th January 1974 |
USAF |
T-38A Talon | 61-0846 | 12th FTW Randolph AFB | Birdstrike. Crashed near Randolph AFB | Pilot killed | ||
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6th February 1974 10:00 |
NASA |
T-38 Talon | Ellington Air Force Base |
Flight from landing mishap at Bergstrom Air Force Base near Austin,Texas. |
Dr. Karl G. Henize uninjured |
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| 2nd May 1974 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 80th FTW | |||||
| killed | killed | |||||||
| FEEDBACK |
I want to add some
comments for your T-38 section. The crash which occurred May 2,
1974 near Tinker AFB, Oklahoma actually killed both |
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| 6th May 1974 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 66-4373 T.6004 | 12th FTW Randolph AFB, TX, USA | ||||
| ejected | ejected | |||||||
| 17th February 1976 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
63-8136 N.5483 |
71st FTW Richards-Gebaur AFB, MO. | Crashed on approach | |||
| 3rd May 1976 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
64th FWS 57th FWW |
Crashed off coast of VA | ||||
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pilot killed |
rescued CAN ANYONE CONFIRM EJECTION?? |
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| 5th November 1976 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
67-14830 T.6025 |
12th FTW | Crashed near Offutt AFB NE, USA | |||
| 23rd February 1977 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 63-8217 |
38th FTW also seen as 82nd FTW |
Crashed near Williams AFB, AZ, USA | |||
| 15th March 1977 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 65-10318 | 12th FTW Randolph AFB, TX, USA | ||||
| killed | killed | |||||||
| 25th July 1977 |
USAF |
Northrop T-38A Talon | Thunderbirds | Crashed during manoeuvres at F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyoming | Capt. Charlie Carter deliberately remained in aircraft to avoid crashing into crowd | killed | ||
| FEEDBACK |
Although it was 30+ years ago, and I heard this story from my great-uncle who was also Charlie's uncle (on the other side of the family), the story as I remembered it … Charlie was the narrator and back-up pilot, so was not flying in the actual show. Accompanying him in flying over a Stock Show/Rodeo was a media person. They had some kind of trouble. (I don't think I ever knew if it was engine, or what.) Charlie had the guy in the plane with him eject, and Charlie was able to get the plane past all the people on the ground, but crashed into a pen of livestock before he could eject.
The San Antonio Light of
July 26, 1977: carried a report of the loss
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A Luling** man killed in a crash of a jet trainer belonging to Air Force's have
given up his own life rather than allow the jet to crash into 3 clump of campers
Capt Charlie Carter 33 of Luling was killed Monday in the crash of the plane on
a rain-swept rodeo parking lot as the plane was attempting to land at a nearby
airport. "
This is a picture of
Charlie:
Lisa Bailey |
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| 5th January 1978 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 68-8174 | Thunderbirds | Crashed near Las Vegas, NV USA | |||
| 13th June 1978 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 61-0889/11 | NTPS | Crashed during flight from NAS Patuxent River MD USA | |||
| 31st August 1978 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 66-4364 |
ATC![]() 80th Flying Training Wing Sheppard Air Force base |
Structural failure of the wing during aerobatic training mission | |||
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Student pilot ejected seriously injured |
Capt. Swanson ejected at high speed killed |
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| FEEDBACK |
". . . It has been 27 years since I sat on an ejection seat, but I still consider my T-38 flying as one of my most enjoyable assignments. I was a T-38 Instructor Pilot at Sheppard AFB in the Fixed Wing Division of the 80 FTW at the time of this accident. This was a small unit and the fatal accident on 31 Aug 1978 made an indelible impression on us. This accident occurred on an aerobatic training mission. While entering a loop the aircraft experienced a structural failure of the wing. The left wing folded up over the fuselage causing the aircraft to enter an extreme roll. The instructor was Capt. Swanson, who ejected from the back seat at what the USAF estimated to be 550 kts. Swanson was killed due to the extreme forces caused by the high speed ejection. The student (can’t remember his name) ejected at a slower speed (under 500 kts) and was seriously injured. He was eventually medically retired from the USAF, having never regained flight status. During the accident investigation it was shown that the accident aircraft had a fatigue crack in the wing that had been missed on previous inspections. The crack propagated from the cutout in the spar for the main gear tire and spread across the narrow part of the spar over a long period of time. It was determined that this crack started at a stress riser caused by the manufacture’s machining practices when the wing planform was built in 1966.
Subsequently the entire T-38 fleet was grounded worldwide while every aircraft was inspected in the wheel well area by eddy current looking for cracks. As I recall at Sheppard they found two aircraft that were grounded for a long period of time awaiting parts. I have no idea how many aircraft were found with cracks worldwide, but there was a large backlog of orders for the T-38 wing that took a long time to fill. The rest of the fleet was back in the air in about ten days as the inspections and polishing of the suspect areas were completed.
I hope this fills in one of the many blanks in your data Steve Clarke
T-38 Instructor Pilot a long time ago |
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| 15th January 1979 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 | Mid-air collision. Crashed 30 nautical miles east of Sheppard | |||||
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| 15th January 1979 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 | ||||||
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| 16th October 1980 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 63-8128 | 71st FTW | Crashed on approach to Vance AFB, OK USA | |||
| killed | survived | |||||||
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9th May 1981 15:18 |
USAF |
Northrop T-38A Talon |
Thunderbird 6 68-8131/6 |
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Engine failure during a low approach. Crashed in a Layton field south of the runway Hill Air Force Base, Ogden, Utah | Capt. David L. "Nick" Hauck deliberately remained in aircraft to avoid crashing into crowd | killed | |
| 15th May 1981 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 67-14948 | 82nd FTW | Crashed 49 miles east north east of Williams AFB , AZ USA | |||
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8th September 1981 |
USAF |
Northrop T-38A Talon | 68-8182/1 |
Thunderbird Burke Lakefront Airport |
Leaving Cleveland. engines ingested several seagulls on takeoff lost power 50 feet, caught fire, crash landed and skidded into Lake Erie, |
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Lieut. Col. David L. Smith Thunderbirds' commander ejected killed |
Sergeant. Dwight Roberts crew chief ejected minor arm and knee injuries |
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| 18th January 1982 |
USAF |
Northrop T-38A Talon | 68-8156/1 |
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During a practice over Range 65 the team was conducting a line abreast loop
manoeuvre when a malfunction in the lead plane
caused mid-air collision "Diamond Crash," at Indian Springs [training for an air show at Davis Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz, practicing a ''loop and tail'' maneuver flew into the desert ground] |
Maj. Norm Lowry - commander/leader | killed | |
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USAF |
Northrop T-38A Talon | 68-8175 | Capt. Willie Mays - left wing | killed | ||||
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USAF |
Northrop T-38A Talon | 68-8176 | Captain Joseph "Peter" Peterson - right wing killed |
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USAF |
Northrop T-38A Talon | 68-8184 | Capt. Mark Melancon - slot | killed | ||||
| 2nd May 1982 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 63-8160 |
14th FTW Columbus AFB, MS USA |
Control lost | |||
| 5th April 1983 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 70-1591 | 47th TFW | Crashed 20 miles north of Del Rio, Texas USA | |||
| 21st March 1984 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 66-4329 | 14th FTW | Mid air collision. Crashed near Dime AL USA | killed | DETAILS OF CREWS NEEDED | |
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| 21st March 1984 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 66-4331 | 14th FTW | killed | |||
| ejected | ||||||||
| 7th October 1984 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 65-10397 |
71st FTW Vance AFB OK USA |
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| 4th January 1985 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
65-10368 | 12th FTW | Crashed near Wichita Falls about one nautical mile south of Sheppard, TX USA | |||
| Killed | pilot RAF killed |
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2nd April 1985 also seen as 5th April 1985 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 63-8125 | 12th FTW | Birdstrike. Crashed near Wichita Falls about 2.5 nautical miles southwest of Sheppard TX USA | |||
| ejected | ejected | |||||||
| 18th May 1985 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
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| 28th February 1986 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 64-13296 | 47th FTW | ||||
| ejected | ejected | |||||||
| 2nd April 1986 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 67-14836 | 82nd FTW | ||||
| 22nd May 1987 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon |
62-3639 ED |
6512th TS AFFTC |
In collision with Cessna 206 N2520X during VFR in MOA. Crashed Tehachapi Mountains north of Los Angeles | |||
| killed | killed | |||||||
| 22nd June 1988 |
U.S. Air Force |
AT-38B Talon | 60-0569/HM |
434th TFTS 479TTW |
Crashed 5 miles north of Holloman AFB | |||
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| 18th April 1989 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 65-10346/HM | 479TTW | ||||
| 21st May 1989 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 63-8124 |
64th FTW Reese AFB TX USA |
Landed short of runway damaged |
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| 5th June 1989 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A Talon | 64-13287 | 64th FTW | Crashed 2 miles south of Cannon AFB NM | |||
| killed | injured | |||||||
| 21st May 1990 |
U.S. Air Force |
AT-38B Talon | 65-10341/HM | 433TFTS, | ||||
| 6th August 1990 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 64-13273 | 47th FTW | ||||
| 22nd August 1990 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 66-8401/RA | 12nd FTW | ||||
| 24th June 1991 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A | 64-13238 | 80th FTW | crashed about 300 yards north of ATC tower at Sheppard | |||
| killed | killed | |||||||
| 3rd September 1992 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38A | crashed about 50 nautical miles southwest of Sheppard |
one killed on OK |
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| 20th June 1993 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 68-8095/SJ | 334th ARS | ||||
| 6th July 1993 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 70-1588 | 64th FTW | ||||
| 12th September 1993 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 70-1587 | 71st FTW | ||||
| 31st May 1995 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 66-4352/EN |
![]() 80th Flying Training Wing Sheppard Air Force base |
Routine training mission crashed into an apartment complex into the parking lot
of the Amber Falls Crossing Crashed four miles south of Sheppard Air Force Base Gound injuries and fatalities |
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2d Lieut. James Varden ejected treated for minor injuries |
Capt. Marc Vantsant [Netherlands] ejected treated for minor injuries | |||||||
| 18th October 1995 |
U.S. Air Force |
AT-38B Talon | 65-10370/CB | 14th FTW | ||||
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22nd October 1997 10:00 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 62-3746/ED | 412th TW |
Collided today with an F-16 fighter over Edwards Air Force Base in California
and crashed in the Mojave Desert F-16 landed safely on a dry lake bed at the desert base |
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Lieut. Col. William Nusz ejected did not survive |
Flight Lieut. Leigh Alexander Fox [on assignment from the Royal Air Force] ejected did not survive |
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| The two crew were found several miles from the wreckage of the plane and that their parachutes had opened | ||||||||
| 24th February 1998 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 3821/68-8177 | RoCAF/14th TFS | ||||
| 16th June 1999 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 64-13208/XL | 87th FTS | ||||
| 13th December 1999 |
U.S. Air Force |
AT-38B Talon | 64-13298/RA | 435th FTS | damaged | |||
| 13th December 1999 |
U.S. Air Force |
AT-38B Talon | 65-10437/RA | 435th FTS | damaged | |||
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Tuesday 13th July 2000 Morning |
USN |
T-38 Talon |
65-10375/08 |
USN TPS |
Crashed on the skeet range just
off Tatee Road, as they were attempting to land on Runway 6 Both U.S. Naval Test Pilot School students killed |
Pilot Lieutenant Commander Gareth Aaron Rietz | no ejection | |
| Co-pilot Lieutenant Commander Raymond Edward O'Hare | no ejection | |||||||
| 5th December 2000 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 67-14938/EN |
![]() 80th Flying Training Wing Sheppard Air Force base |
crashed about 50 miles west of Sheppard | |||
| ejected OK | ejected OK | |||||||
| 24th August 2001 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 64-13290/EN |
![]() 80th Flying Training Wing Sheppard Air Force base |
Collided near Crowell, Texas, in Foard County west of Wichita Falls |
CREW DETAILS An Italian pilot was killed in the incident DETAILS ??? |
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| 24th August 2001 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 66-4323/EN |
![]() 80th Flying Training Wing Sheppard Air Force base |
Collided near Crowell, Texas, in Foard County west of Wichita Falls | |||
| 8th March 2003 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 68-8141/HO | 7th CTS | ||||
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19th March 2003 approx. 4 p.m |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 70-1949/RA |
crew from 100th Flying Training Squadron aircraft from 560th Flying Training Squadron, 12th Flying Training Wing Randolph Air Force Base, Texas |
Tyre failure caused aircraft to leave the runway | instructor pilot Maj. Pete Jahns (100th Flying Training Squadron) killed in loss | Northrop | |
| Involuntarily ejected from the aircraft when the barrier stanchion breached the front of the cockpit. The breach initiated the ejection sequence by forcing the throttle quadrant into the ejection seat. At the time of the ejection the nose and right landing gear had collapsed causing an angled ejection with no opportunity for the parachute to fill and slow impact. | ||||||||
| Lt. Col. Frank Gebert survived the crash, taken to Wilford Hall Medical Center at Lackland Air Force Base for treatment and observation | no ejection | |||||||
| 14th October 2005 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | 66-8368/EN |
Crew from 80th
Operational Support Squadron, Aircraft from 90th FTS Sheppard Air Force Base |
Control problems. Aircraft was destroyed on impact on Runway 33C | |||
| instructor pilot, Maj. Jeffrey S. Klein ejected unhurt. Sent to the flight surgeon's office for a mandatory physical. | student pilot, 1st Lt. Aaron B. Brown ejected unhurt. Sent to the flight surgeon's office for a mandatory physical. | |||||||
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Tuesday 13th December 2005 3:45 p.m |
USAF |
T-38-C |
65-10333 333 XL |
87th FTS
47th FTW Laughlin |
Birdstrike - Plane crashed in open ranchland near Bracketville - |
Northrop-Grumman | ||
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Major Marc
Montgomery 96th FTS ejected -
reports in US media suggest injured in low level ejection landing into the aircraft's
burning wreckage Major Montgomery taken to Brooks Army Medical Center -"was in critical but stable condition" |
2nd Lt.
Jonathan Ballard 87th FTS ejected safely at low level Second Lieutenant Jonathan Ballard, was taken back to Laughlin for evaluation |
Northrop-Grumman | ||||||
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18th January 2006 about 1:30 p.m |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon | Columbus AFB | On a low-level navigation training sortie. Crashed 40 miles south of Memphis, Tenn | ||||
| ejected | ejected | |||||||
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Thursday 18th January
2007 1:30pm |
USAF |
T-38C Talon trainer |
Columbus Air Force Base | Low-level training exercise. Crashed about 40 miles south of Memphis, Tenn in a swampy area, western Panola County | Northrop | |||
| Pilot Maj. Bill Lester ejected safely | Trainee Pilot 2nd Lt. Todd Campbell ejected safely | Northrop | ||||||
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Thursday 22nd February 2007 12:45 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38C Talon |
![]() 12th Flying Training Wing Randolph Air Force Base |
Crashed approximately 12 miles south of Hondo in Frio County | Pilot-instructor Maj. Michael Pelletier ejected safely taken to Wilford Hall Medical Center for evaluation. | Northrop | ||
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Wednesday 12th March 2008 16:00 |
U.S. Air Force |
T-38 Talon |
71st Flying
Training Wing Vance Air Force Base |
Training sortie. Ran off a runway while taking off from Vance Air Force Base sustained significant damage | ||||